BEing Themselves and BEing That Well: Viz Alumnae Spotlight November 2023

Hon. Mary Elizabeth Ott ‘78, Presiding Judge, 21st Judicial Circuit, St. Louis County Circuit Court
Hon. Elizabeth Byrne Hogan ‘86, Presiding Judge, 22nd Judicial Circuit, St. Louis City Circuit Court
Laura Thielmeier Roy ‘82, Clerk of Court for the Missouri Court of Appeals, Eastern District
What did you love most about your time at Viz?
Mary: No question, it was and is the friendships that were established at Viz and which remain strong today! It is one of the greatest gifts of my life - close friends for more than 50 years.
 
Elizabeth: I would second Mary. Not only in the lifelong friends I made while there but also the lifelong friends I have continued to make with other Viz grads in every area of life, whether home, school, or work. The community is a lifelong community!
 
Laura: I will add to what my colleagues said - the friends I made at Viz are my lifelong friends. I started Viz in 1975 when I walked into Sr. Karen Mohan's Core 6 classroom three days after the school year started. (It's a long story.) The students sat alphabetically in class back then, and Christine Tan sat next to me. She helped me with my books, and we ate lunch together. Julie Sutter sat on the other side of Christine. We have been besties all these decades later. These are the women I turn to time after time. I still have friends from college (I married one of them) and law school, but my Viz girls are the true BFFs. The second thing I loved most about Viz was the Salesian
 
Elizabeth: Viz taught me that women can do anything. Spending six years surrounded not only by other classmates but the Sisters and teachers (Mrs. Fitzgerald) who constantly pushed us to develop our own ideas and our own opinions, independent of what we see or hear from others, has been invaluable as both an attorney and as a judge. One of the first actions I took as presiding judge was to appoint all female chairs to each of the court's committees. I have learned that taking repeated small steps towards advancing women in the profession or life can lead to long-term changes.
 
Laura: First, I learned how to write thanks to Sr. Karen, Mrs. Ivers, and Sr. Marie Therese. Mrs. Jeanne Dressel also did not hesitate to go to bat for us when we wanted to start a school newspaper - the Paper Moon. Viz also participated in the 1818 program, so I entered Mizzou as a sophomore. I obtained my Bachelor of Journalism degree from the best journalism school in the country in three years because of Viz. I wanted to then go to law school, which is another three years. Saving that extra year of time and tuition expedited the start of my career. I was twenty when I graduated from j-school and twenty-three when I graduated from law school. I really feel I had an advantage because of Viz. Viz made me disciplined. At Mizzou, it would have been easy to slack off or skip class. No one would have noticed. That discipline was critical because in college, your grade depends on one mid-term exam and one final exam. You simply must keep up with the work on a daily basis; otherwise, you WILL fail.
 
What advice would you give to current students?
Mary: Enjoy your life! Do not worry about the future; it will take care of itself. All things really do work together for good, even when you cannot see it. Go after your dreams with all you have, and take good care of yourself and those around you.
 
Elizabeth: "Be who you are and be that well." St. Francis de Sales - In a world where young women are flooded with images and ideas of who they are supposed to be, what they are supposed to look like, and what they are supposed to achieve, take the time while at Viz to find out instead who you are - what interests you have, what goals you have, what achievements you want to reach, and lean on all those around you to help to discover and develop that. The "be that well" part is a lifelong path with ups and downs, but I have found if you are satisfied with yourself, you will continue to try and achieve all that you can in whatever it is you choose to do.
 
Laura: This is the advice I give to everyone - Viz students, recent law school graduates who show up at the court, anybody of any age.
 
  1. Live below your means. (This will save you. You will have bad times in your life, and having a cash reserve will set your mind more at ease. I got this advice from my brother, and he was so incredibly right about this.)
  2. Make few promises, and for the love of God, keep the promises you do make. Your word is your bond.
  3. Listen to your colleagues versus just hearing them in one ear and letting it go out the other. First, you can learn a lot by listening. Secondly, you will work better as a team member if your colleagues know you value them enough to listen to their concerns. Your team needs to know that they do indeed matter.
  4. No. This word is a complete sentence. No. Practice saying it and know it is perfectly acceptable to respond with this one-word sentence. If someone asks you to do something illegal, unethical, or even something you don't want to do, say no. Practice saying no often so that when you need to say it, you can.
  5. You can do what is easy, or you can do what is right. My parents expected, nay demanded, that I always do what is right. You will not be popular. You may lose out on a promotion, a job, or a supposed "friend." In the end, you really should not care what stupid people think.
  6. Lastly, please don't gossip. Give praise where praise is due. If you see something wrong, say something/report to someone in the appropriate position. Gossip and backbiting are just malicious and do not solve any problems.
  7. As Vivettes, remember to Live + Jesus.
 
 
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